Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Shari Feat Fan There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Baseball burnt him out. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Jim Snedeker Shari As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. =Chuck= The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. November 3, 2006 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. October 13, 2008 Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Mickey Lolich was born on 12 September 1940 in Portland, Oregon, USA. June 30, 2019 What an interesting parallel, huh? Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Shari June 11, 2003 " Lolich laughs. October 4, 2006 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. April 23, 2003 In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! That's more realistic but generous, I think! Ramblin' Pete I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. He started 45 games and completed 29. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. (thankfully returning in '81). I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. April 30, 2009 Al (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Man, those pitches were big ones. Cut him some slack. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? That would make him a star in today's market. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Joe Figliola October 4, 2006 Ramblin' Pete And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. John Bruce August 7, 2018 to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. or Bruce Kison. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. September 24, 2005 Trace the evolution of the Mets official uniform over the years. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. October 4, 2006 September 25, 2013 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. January 12, 2011 That would make him a star in today's market. Rusty could hit with the lights out. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Mickey liked his doughnuts. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. mets Mickey loved his Harley. body would be a pretty slender person. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. August 7, 2018 Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. October 2, 2005 October 19, 2011 - Now for the trade itself. From 1964-1975, he never won fewest than 12 games. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Instead, he had a new perception. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Dianna Jeanneh Jones If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. senor ortiz 170 lbs.? Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. He started 45 games and completed 29. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Mickey loved his Harley. Raymond Malcuit Joe Figliola As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Rusty played another decade. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. That would make him a star in today's market. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. senor ortiz Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? September 29, 2007 Doug S. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. feat fan There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Shari Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. But football wasn't real." Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. bogeyman NO WAY he was 170 pounds. eddiek Jamey Bumbalo That would make him a star in today's market. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Mickey Lolich was born in Portland, OR on September 12, 1940. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. End of Line He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Michael He pitched very good ball for you. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. April 27, 2013 All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. He started 45 games and completed 29. May 7, 2013 support. "RICHARD HOFFER. April 24, 2003 October 19, 2011 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Lolich for Rusty Staub: As young Met fans this trade astounded us. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. senor ortiz In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. (thankfully returning in '81). As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. June 30, 2019 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. October 19, 2011 Shari Randy Tate (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. October 18, 2008 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Cut him some slack. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Really? Raymond Malcuit Jr. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. Created by two brothers Dr. Jacob DeCou & Dr. Charles DeCou in 1889. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Al I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. support. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Nutty. May 7, 2013 The building at 801 S. Lapeer Road started out as a farm house in the 1860s then converted into a restaurant in the 1930s (Buckhorn Inn). Cut him some slack. Peter Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. mets Staub a great fielder with a great arm? November 3, 2006 According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Ramblin' Pete Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Rusty played another decade. But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Jim Snedeker Bartolo Colon etc). In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Mike B April 30, 2009 Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. July 15, 2016 Rusty could hit with the lights out. June 11, 2003 April 24, 2003 Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Jim Snedeker John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Man, those pitches were big ones. Shari He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Assembly Island December 8, 2006 Bob P But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. August 11, 2015 LA-Mets End of Line October 4, 2005 I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. He later resurfaced with the Padres. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Randy Tate July 15, 2016 Bob P October 18, 2008 Kooz support. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. 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