More than likely entombed in one of those tetrapod molds you mentioned above. Willi, how would easterlies impact the Great Ocean Road coast? Yes it is. https://www.sydneycoastalcouncils.com.au/sites/default/files/JRCorkill_A(2)_Prop_L_Rev_67-84.pdf, yes, Blindboy, I am guessing they had absolutely no input on the final [or initial] design what-so-ever as they were only used as a consulting service by the Coastal engineers. Yep. Whe I checked the link today on the second one it went to the first DA for the sloping rock wall, not the second one for the vertical concrete wall. I am pretty sure the link was correct when I posted it. However, a few queries regarding your post: "Sure if youve bought the last 5 years ignorance cant be an excuse" - why does five years give one grace? Here's a screengrab from the website about the proposed breakwall extension: It seems that the main concern about the extension is the interruption of the natural flow of sand onto Mooloolaba beach and hence increased erosion risk. While celebrating his record for coastal protection with a park on the Collaroy-Narrabeen stretch, Northern Beaches council was also processing a Development Application thatd threaten the very same beach. But it wasn't about the road - it was about appeasing multimillionaires who would have or should have known better. Also, ALL the Numerical modeling was done in comparison to the current altered beach-state and NOT to a natural beach-state so there is bias in modeling things that way even though the beach state is not natural any more. There's no sense at all in building something like this from an engineering perspective. The also don't grow in sand so they won't be of any use to prevent coastal erosion on our open-ocean beaches. I have to disagree. Now a 7 metre-high, concrete, vertical seawall has been built in front of private properties on Collaroy/Narrabeen beach. A sneaky second application, for the vertical wall was seen by very few. And I previously worked in a firm that did work in this area (it's not my specific expertise but I get the broad concepts). >>Really dumb idea. Large waves have a lot of energy and must be forced to break further out to sea to dissipate the energy before reaching the sand shoreline. With increased ocean levels comes all those properties around Botany Bay, Parramatta river, Georges river. "The community is not happy." Northern Beaches Council said there had been comprehensive community consultation about the council's coastal zone management plan for Collaroy Beach. "community engagement", and my personal favourite "building resilience". Narrabeen and Collaroy residents hold signs and protest their opposition towards the sea wall extension plans in November 2012 In November 2002, Harmer and Donohue led a protest against a $12 million sea wall, proposed by Warringah Council, with 3000 people linking arms along a 1.1km stretch of beach. The coastline in SW Vic has evolved to respond to a dominant SW swell and storm pattern - that's why the beaches face the way they do. All of Ramsgate, Brighton, Kyeemagh, Dolls Point, Scarborough Park and lots more will be underwater in 50 or 100 years time. "We have the Tools and imagination" I am not a coastal engineer nor scientist, [actually a software-designer] but I have a passion for understanding coastal processes and I have been watching a lot of the Software progress. Plop! a report a number of years ago by the Great Ocean Road Coastal Committee, GORCCshowed there were more than 47 areas that were of immediate concern where the ocean would cut the road. https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/collaroy-na Collaroy Stormwater Pipe Outlet Or boarding a jumbo jet to go for a surf and buy the latest board all things responsible for the needing of the wall in the first place. Wow Zen saw those photo's , it's really sad that they couldn't come up with something else , which raises the question.what other alternatives are there?? They also recently dug the mother of all holes in the sand and put huge foundations down ( well over a years work) for what I thought was further erosion work but turn out to be a access ramp for beach who cant step down onto the beach. we all end up paying for it directly if we haven't already e.g. Took the words out of my mouth. nothings going to stop him on his daily dip. It appears that because of the relative lack of access to PC, the equation would be out of kilter to begin with. Confirming that they were involved in the initial design only. BB has there been any attempt to take the process to the Land and Environment Court? I do know the metro area was excluded from the NSW Coastal Policy for a long time because it was seen as too difficult, and that the CLPS was focussed on environmental values. If they are falling into the ocean or they require extensive works or continual maintenance, then what is the market value? This is a big money problem way beyond the scope of local councils. Click on "Documents" for the interesting stuff. These very costly bandaids never work and continue to fail while extending the problem to adjacent properties that don't have the wall. All they are protecting are some pretty sparse land and some rice fields a couple of hundred metres inland. Anybody heard of rising ocean levels & retreat by wealthy landholders who where allowed to build in the dune systems which nature designed to replenish the beaches? Im sure Fraser Island will give some back.. Heard rumours that the Wamberal Seawall has got green light hopefully the central coast council read this article. You can go to court to complain about the price, but you cant object to the acquisition. Again this can only be taken as opinion without proper scientific references. Same stretch of sand - another wall to protect public assets - https://www.scs.nsw.gov.au/soil-conservation-services-projects/collaroy- Gary G has been erecting hard structures in the dunes around Victorian beaches for years. I have written to the Office Of Local Government about my concerns over the hiding of the second DA. There have been high profile storms on the NSW East Coast since the mid-70s. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen, hope they don't actually use that pathetic demo to help make a decision on what is going to be built to stop erosion. As good as a house on the beach would be imagine how much more beautiful the East Coast would be with a 1km + building buffer from the coast depending on the terrain. Our services included: Pre-Work Detail Survey for existing surface levels at design chainages. For the most part I understand buybacks but, how will they appraise the value of these properties? Hourly Multiple Swells Wind Highlighting Model Units ft, mph. Actually I do understand why the council doesn't research an alternative to a concrete wall, because it's easier to build a wall, something humans have been doing for thousands of years, we're good at it. Environmental vandalism or gross negligence? In Japan, their solution is to just go bigger and higher . Edit: The estuary was in an area protected from the ocean and the cliffs only faced small wind chop and the tides. They have just set a precedent for the whole east coast of poor me multi millionaire landowners to set up squeaky wheel collectives. You shouldve known by 1990. For Sydney its not just beach suburbs. If they were 100% against it but felt they had no choice but to design/sign it, then they simply have no morals/ethics/backbone. GCCC's approach protects both private property and public beach amenity without any visible structures on the beach. Bumper Farrell had the prime position. "The only feasible way forward without wasting any more council and tax payers money to protect the properties in question is to acquire the properties at any cost and return them to a naturalised stated." Meanwhile, those on the other side of the divide are fearing the precedent of a return to hard structures and what this might mean for the rest of the Collaroy and Narrabeen beachfront, not to mention Wamberal, Old Bar, Byron Bay, and any other area where bad planning policy has created a wicked problem. The Collaroy Beach coastline on May 6, 2016 before major storms swept the shoreline. Tonights high tide is 1.34m, tomorrow morning is 1.96m. Picture: Nearmap A subsequent image of Collaroy Beach from June 8, 2016. Please enable it to continue. Not every beachfront owner is a cashed up prick, some have been there 50 years when climate change etc wasnt on the radar. (AO) Thanks lilas. I've written about it before but the real reason here is money- it is massive pork-barreling on an unprecedented scale. Granted the Reality series and Aero are ludicrously expensive at the $2,000 barrier, but they're promising to push a more immersive, satisfying VR experience that delivers on incredible fidelity. Here's the Maritime Safety Queensland website link and here's what appears to be the numerical modelling report upon which a lot of decision-making on the issue is based. You can cry about why it wasn't their fault but that doesn't change anything at all. Was it some random guy off the street? Even though they are sure to meet codethey dont look to going by the pic. The theory is that the waves break further offshore, soaking up wave energy that would otherwise erode the leeshore dune system during storms. Photograph: Lewis Isaacs/The Guardian Beachfront residents back. There are 11 parcels of public land (including the Collaroy carpark, South Narrabeen Surf Club, reserves and road ends) interspersed between 49 private parcels of land that require protection. EDIT: Just to be clear, the issue of erosion has nothing to do with sea level rise, climate change, or buying the latest board. However, NSW has an intricate coastal management and development approval system and surely there's a paper trail for the various consents and approvals for this abomination which would be subject to FOI? That this kind of construction was approved with the obvious impacts on the public domain (the beach) simply beggars belief, and the real focus should be on the process to consider the design options and then issue the approval. oh yeah and someone call security. There are plenty of other spots along the coast vulnerable to rising seas and more intense storms but Collaroy is one of the most difficult to address. Apparently there was a buy back scheme that faltered in the early 1980's when the department of public works ran out of money. Five years ago, residents along Collaroy Beach watched helplessly as enormous waves smashed into their backyards, collapsing pools and patios of their multimillion-dollar waterfront properties. "Brendan Donohue, President of Surfrider Northern Beaches, has been talking to us about their famous Line in the Sand protest against the Collaroy/Narrabeen Seawall 18 years ago and we are very excited to replicate that campaign on the Central Coast in the not-too-distant future," Phillips said. It's a travesty in so many ways and a very poor precedent for other parts of the coast which will be deemed vulnerable to sea level rise. check out the beach erosion in Apollo bay as well Great article highlighting the competing interests of the natural environment and local councils (which are too easily manipulated by wealthy stakeholders). Hey guys I need to write an informative paper based on remedial measures used to protect infrastructure against erosion. A few years on when I visited I suggested a stroll along the cliffs at the estuary and they replied that its to dangerous now as theres been heaps of erosion for some reason. Sorry to go hard on your story like that but I feel we need to keep the science at the forefront of all coastal engineering discussions. Spot on. Yes, blowie, I've yet to see anyone our age advocating for a soft solution. Hopefully there's someone with deep pockets able to go after the truth of the matter. After five years and four contests, the performance level at Kelly's Hot Tub hasn't evolved but instead gone the other way. In a 2007 story for the Sydney Morning Herald, both Rob Stokes and a spokesperson for Warringah Council admit buyback isnt feasible and that other means of defence would be necessary, such as dune reconstruction, revegetation, and sand nourishment. Another week, another pumping day in the south-west of France. https://www.acma.gov.au/zone-protect-sydney-submarine-cables, That makes sense Ben. The protest was backed by the growing greens movement at the time and successfully pressured the then Warringah Council to knock back the protective walls. Isn't an extension to the Point Cartwright breakwall on the cards aa well? I no longer live in the area but just can't believe it has progressed so far without anyone noticing. Ray Collins eat your heart out.. Good find. Theyve introduced these gently sloped walls to broaden the widths of the roads to protect them from erosion. At this point, no-one can say if any consultation occurred, though the cynical view is council ticked the box by distributing flyers to the immediate neighbours, all of whom would want similar works built to protect their properties. But unlike a rock revetment at Stockton, which gradually collapses into the beach, Collaroy's sheer concrete wall relies on deep foundations to stabilise it. Seawall construction isnt mentioned. I recently moved house [Northern-Rivers nsw] and seal-level rise was a very serious consideration of mine. That's the only thing stopping all the sand at the base of the wall getting washed away. Stick your comments up your arse fuckwit engineers dont approve shit like this they get paid to do what they are told direct your retarded comments at millionaire house owners and council you piece of shit. Collaroy sea wall. The council will buy me out at any price if things get too hot". If you are referring to Vertical hard structures then that needs to be specified). Hence, they are of no market value to me. Im not sure that councils have the legal authority to acquire the land, pretty sure that resides with State governments and the Feds only in certain circumstances. The obvious one is disaster relief which will be a given in the medium to long term for the repair of the wall and its impacts to adjacent beaches. Its like stepping forty years back in time. Is there a sea wall at Collaroy? The Act was introduced by Rob Stokes, the NSW Minister for Planning and member for Pittwater. High-quality Collaroy Wall Art designed and sold by artists. It would be a good idea to put in a surf cam in that pans up and down the wall to document any changes to the beach, sand movements, erosion problems etc. As a result, if the sea erodes the shoreline (and the tidal level moves inland) it encroaches upon land once part of someone's private land title. An increase in storm activity - particularly from the east and north-east, as has been proposed by Associate Professor Ian Goodwin - and the looming threat of sea level rise are X-factors for East Coast beachfront development. This was done to ensure the wall would be up before people realised what it was. They have just invested in an asset that requires 60 years of maintenance. Unlike other approaches like soft beach nourishment, they offer a long term solution to shoreline erosion. People need to be absolutely on top of the approval process in their local area if they want to have a hope of preventing these structures. Unfortunately groynes or artificial headlands are not part of the certified Coastal Zone Management Plan CZMP (2014). Ha! Seawalls have the inevitable effect of reflecting and concentrating wave energy and accelerating erosion. High-quality Collaroy Beach Wall Art designed and sold by artists. Get Pro. You got to have demand/competition in order for a buyback to increase value of supply. To add a bit of controversy, I've often wondered: Is Carties borderline just a novelty wave? What insanity! The track became a road. Ignorant clown" gsco, I'd have thought that the first hurdle for any enhancement - besides the environmental impacts - would be the issue of access and whether the investment creates something with the most benefit for the most people. They were concerned the sand directly in front of the seawall would be washed away, eroding their beach, and, on Tuesday, that's exactly what happened. So would you like to inform me as to WHO designed this monstrosity if it wasn't an Engineer? Usually done by compulsory acquisition with the government working off existing market prices. Almost certainly the latter lilas, given the problems Sydney has had with apartment blocks I would think regulation is minimal to non-existent. Also any factual statements need reference links to scientific papers backing them up if they are to be taken seriously There is a common denominator here, "Coastal" engineers with a lack of knowledge and understanding of coastal processes. That's so shithouse I don't know where to start, Zen. An "Engineer/s" designed this monstrosity and other "Engineers" approved it. (This statement also doesn't specify what type of HARD structure. Aside from high tides and Tsunamis, Im guessing most islands/atolls dont suffer much erosion when surrounded by reefs? I recently tested an Open-Source Wave modeling software called "Celeris" and the result are really good although I didn't go too in-depth with it. Climate projections will have some Australian surfers rejoicing, and others not so. Owners of storm-devastated Collaroy properties on Sydney's northern beaches face paying up to $140,000 each for a new sea wall that might have saved their homes had it been there at the weekend. It is a difficult and wicked problem. Have you done a study already? I'd be happy to help draft it offline. Sorry Peter but we can't just take you on your word for it. 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